tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post113327309485533560..comments2024-03-29T10:16:11.628+05:30Comments on Dabbler: The Hindu, Plagiarism and Gautaman BhaskaranChenthilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-91956337613047660362022-04-20T12:07:08.703+05:302022-04-20T12:07:08.703+05:30All kind of pooja like Narayan Nagbali, Trpindi Sh...All kind of pooja like Narayan Nagbali, Trpindi Shradha, Kalsarpa Pooja, Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra Jaap and Rudra Abhishek Pooja are performed by Authorised Purohit Sangh Guruji in Trimbakeshwar.For Online Pooja Booking please click on the below Guruji Profiles. These Guriji’s hold the Tamprapatra (Copper inscription), Who has the rights to perform these puja in Trimbakeshwar.<a href="https://zenwriting.net/trimbakeshwarorg/mahamrityunjay-mantra-jaap" rel="nofollow">Mahamrityunjay Jaap</a><br><a href="https://postheaven.net/rudrabhishek/lord-shiva-abhishekam" rel="nofollow">Rudrabhishekam of Lord Shiva</a><br><a href="https://blogfreely.net/trimbakeshwarorg/knddaariyaa-mhaadev-mndir-khjuraaho-he-bhvytaa-saundry-aanni-aprtim-vaastuklecaa-sngm" rel="nofollow">Kandariya mahadev Mandir</a><br><a href="https://trimbakeshwar.notion.site/The-Avatars-of-Lord-Vishnu-908a15a72da844489b29f9bf32125215" rel="nofollow">The Avatars of Lord Vishnu</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-80023427252206759442008-07-12T23:00:00.000+05:302008-07-12T23:00:00.000+05:30I must add that his virtues (!) doesn't just stop ...I must add that his virtues (!) doesn't just stop with plagarism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133450937396817472005-12-01T20:58:00.000+05:302005-12-01T20:58:00.000+05:30Hey Tilo!I said "no assumptions" and I seriously m...Hey Tilo!<BR/>I said "no assumptions" and I seriously meant it. I was referring to getting to meet "odd" (for all mainstream definitions, I consider talking about Sartre is odd) people (and not women) on date. I am really sorry if it sounded different.<BR/>and it had nothing to do with my surprise that we independently invented the same pazhamozhi :).<BR/>Because to whom ever I told that pazhamozhi (which was nothing but quite a poor play with words, with due respect :)), they just gave back a stare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133446489205593472005-12-01T19:44:00.000+05:302005-12-01T19:44:00.000+05:30Chen - this is for Zero if he comes back and check...Chen - this is for Zero if he comes back and checks :-)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Your much earlier comment on another topic<BR/><BR/>Nilu,<BR/>you get to talk about WW II, Sartre, Stupidity, Anarchism and Movies? Hmm.. I am very much alienated from girls and all that; but from what I hear (and no "assumptions" here), this is hardly the scenario. <BR/>-------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Zero - girls think and talk the same things (crap or not) as guys :-).<BR/><BR/>so hardly surprising we turned the same phrase around in our heads.......trishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896403156237442180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133442924837916962005-12-01T18:45:00.000+05:302005-12-01T18:45:00.000+05:30None bloggers not allowed to comment here CCG :-)....None bloggers not allowed to comment here CCG :-).<BR/><BR/>I have nothing for or against GB, he is not even my favorite Hindu Columnist (that will be Sevanti Ninan / Nirmal Shekar). What I am saying is that I am not righteously angered in this issue. I have prompted you to create noise about the moral policing issue, then I was really angry. But now something holds me back.<BR/><BR/>I am sort of vacillating. That prompted me to put the question on the blog. May be I am growing old.Chenthilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133441481857966672005-12-01T18:21:00.000+05:302005-12-01T18:21:00.000+05:30This I swear is my last comment ever on any blog.C...This I swear is my last comment ever on any blog.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Chenthil, you mentioned that you were afraid that the post by Nina would adversely affect GB's reputation. Will you say he didn't invite it upon himself?<BR/><BR/>You have reviewed quite a few books. Would you be okay if GB were to get "inspired" by your reviews? Would you let him go by without a remark, after all, he's been doing book reviews for a long time, and this is the first time he lifts a paragraph or two from you?<BR/><BR/>Lazy and Chenthil, what an interesting discussion.<BR/>As one of the persons who was a second hand member in both your examples - IIPM, Moral policing, as well as one of the participants in the Mediaah! v TOI, Rohan Pinto plagiarism issues, I think I've gained a perspective about what you both are talking of.<BR/><BR/>First, I don't believe blogging is going down the road of bullies. For one, bloggers and blogs are still far too small and insignificant to have any effect whatsoever against big business. or even small businesses.<BR/><BR/>Sure, we were screaming loud in IIPM, trying to bring them down but there was a reason we did that - they were a) misleading people with ads and b) trying to stifle free speech. The entire issue with IIPM in my mind is to do more about free speech than it is do with the quality of the education. if you remember, we didn't get on to the bandwagon till Gaurav was threatened...and once that happened, we were talking about free speech.<BR/>Also, Guru, having personally seen what IIPM offers, I would seriously doubt if even 2 people have benefited from their course, let alone 200.<BR/><BR/>Chenthil, blogs aren't about sound vidaradhu.<BR/>Blogs are about conviction and freedom to say what you want to say.<BR/><BR/>Again, blogs are not about bringing down people - who have we brought down so far? Or can we just bring down people without just or believable causes?<BR/><BR/>If we've managed to bring down people, it is only because they were eminently bring-downable. Rohan Pinto for example.<BR/><BR/>He asked for it, plagiarising people.<BR/><BR/>As I see it, Blogs will help spread the news of fraud, illegitimate activities faster than traditional media and therefore only play a significant part in the rectification of the wrong, maybe even a principal part. I don't see blogs to be able to wantonly destroy people and reputations.<BR/><BR/>That is my own opinion though.<BR/><BR/>I do see Blogs used as a tool/forum to discuss a lot of issues that are of significance to people, and therefore, possibly, the first spark for any unrest might come from a blog. But that again is because there will be and most definitely is a valid reason for the said unrest.Ravages/CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16652864017812270505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133426754073219232005-12-01T14:15:00.000+05:302005-12-01T14:15:00.000+05:30'oru naal thiruden pala naal agapaduvan.'Tilo,have...<I>'oru naal thiruden pala naal agapaduvan.'</I><BR/>Tilo,<BR/>have you thought about this too? When I came up with this odd reversal of Pazhamozhi very long ago, I think I was rationalizing some crap that I made up in my mind.<BR/>So, same odd things (crap or not) come up in different minds too..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133426274770017932005-12-01T14:07:00.000+05:302005-12-01T14:07:00.000+05:30The shock factor (at least for me) is high because...The shock factor (at least for me) is high because, it was *Gautaman Bhaskaran* and not some critic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133420182777443612005-12-01T12:26:00.000+05:302005-12-01T12:26:00.000+05:30Obviously its going in that road. Remember those d...Obviously its going in that road. Remember those days when you had asked why I was keeping off senstive issues. This was the reason. Its because we have bandwith and a keyboard that listens to your whims and fancies, by means of senstive topics and sticky posts, we are just becoming rogue bloggers, to the core.<BR/><BR/>Ofcourse there are people who react because they feel dejected or upset of some issue. i have to say i felt very dejected when i saw the plagiarism. two reasons. one the lazygeek blog is a victim of plagiarism. donno if you know but the reviews and posts are intelligently stolen and some interesting thoughts are added to it make seems like a original post. second, i am a long term reader of hindu. infact right from the start. so i felt dejected and hence that post about hindu.<BR/><BR/>there are bloggers whom even you can spot so easily who are just waiting for to kick someone and waiting for a prey. those dudes are pretty new and have no clue of the immense satisfaction blogging gives. if its all about eyeballs and page hits and comments gallore, blogging ceases to exist. but thats what we have today and it really sucks. really sucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133413956794621342005-12-01T10:42:00.000+05:302005-12-01T10:42:00.000+05:30Guru, of course I am not being balanced. I myself ...Guru, of course I am not being balanced. I myself have participated vigorously in IIPM issue and Moral Policing. But of late I am getting this doubt, whether we are using blogging as a tool to bring down things. When I was participating in those issues, I could feel the mob mentality engulfing me, making me feel the potency of power without accountability. <BR/><BR/>In such mobs, some of those who are shouting along with you won't be agreeable to you on normal days. But since all of us are shouting for an issue, we tend to forget this fact. To put it in Engineering College slang, whenever there is a fight in collge, there will be a group who will be standing invisible but creating a big noise. We call that "Sound vidarathu". I am wondering whether blogging is going down that road.Chenthilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133373501939270682005-11-30T23:28:00.000+05:302005-11-30T23:28:00.000+05:30//Guru, the issue I was concerned more here was ho...//Guru, the issue I was concerned more here was how blogging can be used to bring down somebody.//<BR/><BR/>Yep !! There are rogue bloggers every where and the idea of rogue bloggings sucks. I agree.<BR/><BR/>Now lets take this analogy to the IIPM case which is very recent. Do you also think that IIPM literally raped by bloggers. Imagine IIPM has been around for a while and they might have given great education even for atleast 200 people, they were ragged by the bloggers for screwing up with one AD on newspapers. Do you think so ?<BR/><BR/>Also, imagine the tamil nadu police captures so many criminals on a daily basis. do you think they were ragged by bloggers when they were condemened for moral policing with just one hotel.<BR/><BR/>Are we being balanced here ? If you are saying yes, i'll have a bigger reply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133354922184875982005-11-30T18:18:00.000+05:302005-11-30T18:18:00.000+05:30Premalatha :-).Tilo, whatever it is I want more co...Premalatha :-).<BR/><BR/>Tilo, whatever it is I want more comments from readers discussing the content. So do come over to that blog and commentChenthilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133354714531884112005-11-30T18:15:00.000+05:302005-11-30T18:15:00.000+05:30chen - king of cool - what are you translating nex...chen - king of cool - what are you translating next?trishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896403156237442180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133352324815607912005-11-30T17:35:00.000+05:302005-11-30T17:35:00.000+05:30Hi Chenthil,Chakra explained few things over phone...Hi Chenthil,<BR/><BR/>Chakra explained few things over phone. Your post gave me an impression that you were trying to accuse Nina. (Please read my first comment on this). If my comment didn't make sense to you, you could have asked me. You just went along, which only made it worse.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, sorry for that. <BR/><BR/>I just want to state for the record that I am not an anti-Hindu or a pro-Hindu.<BR/><BR/>:)Premalathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741047367535557036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133338435610532402005-11-30T13:43:00.000+05:302005-11-30T13:43:00.000+05:30Hi Chenthil,I did come back to check!! Women eh!!a...Hi Chenthil,<BR/><BR/>I did come back to check!! Women eh!!<BR/><BR/>anyway, again it is very gentlemanly of you to close like that.<BR/><BR/>:)Premalathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741047367535557036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133329302110923402005-11-30T11:11:00.000+05:302005-11-30T11:11:00.000+05:30A cliche: Mark a black dot in the centre of a whit...A cliche: Mark a black dot in the centre of a white paper and what do people see? <BR/>Gautaman Baskaran is a wrong example but the point of using blogging as a powerful tool is true. Its been observed in the IIPM case recently, Tsunami before and yes, exposing quite a few private skeletons...<BR/>Albert Einstein long before said, "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; A single experiment can prove me wrong" :)Barthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553270033408585312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133326185403266322005-11-30T10:19:00.000+05:302005-11-30T10:19:00.000+05:30Premalatha, it was nice having you here :-)Tilo, t...Premalatha, it was nice having you here :-)<BR/><BR/>Tilo, true. Who doesn't have skeletons in their cupboard? And one whiff of a scandal and you are doomed forever.<BR/><BR/>Varun, I lost respect for The Hindu a long while ago. In this matter I was wondering whether blogging is becoming more of a vigilante activity.<BR/><BR/>Nilu, it came faster than I expected.<BR/><BR/>Hawkeye, AR Rahman plagiarised?. Never say that, you will have a flame war at your blog :-).<BR/><BR/>Guru, the issue I was concerned more here was how blogging can be used to bring down somebody.Integrity of Fourth Estate, do you believe they have it.Chenthilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133291526444344712005-11-30T00:42:00.000+05:302005-11-30T00:42:00.000+05:30//Even if say, 20 of his reviews were inspired, he...//Even if say, 20 of his reviews were inspired, he will be painted as a plagiarist for all 400 of them. It is a little harsh on him. //<BR/><BR/>Chenthil, I don't get this logic. How do you say its a little harsh on him. its a matter of integrity when it comes to fourth estate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133290869820718192005-11-30T00:31:00.000+05:302005-11-30T00:31:00.000+05:301. I think a person who plagiarized 20 times is be...1. I think a person who plagiarized 20 times is better than a person who plagiaried 400 times. its like the difference between anu malik and ar rahman. both have plagiarized at least once in their lives but both arent the same.<BR/><BR/>2. i dont like gauthaman bhaskaran. i dont think he should be fired but at least told that his game is up and he shld start doing original material.<BR/><BR/>3. i also dont like premalatha. i dont even get what she is nitpicking about.<BR/><BR/>4. although my respect for Hindu is going down, i still think given the seniority of bhaskaran nobody would dare check him out ..plus its difficult to check him out. i dont know how you would do it. it depended on his own ethics and he chose to be unethical. as simple as that.Hawkeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761232960391758109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133287715397022092005-11-29T23:38:00.000+05:302005-11-29T23:38:00.000+05:30Chen : Your worst fears are coming true. Exhibit A...Chen : Your worst fears are coming true. Exhibit A: Premalatha.Niluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889024460833219672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133283615371318572005-11-29T22:30:00.000+05:302005-11-29T22:30:00.000+05:30the hindu used to publish articles from the NY tim...the hindu used to publish articles from the NY times ..am not sure if they do that now .. and the source was always credited..what a fall !<BR/><BR/>and gautaman bhaskaran was like the voice of the hindu when it came to movies ..his reviews and analyses used to be sharp ..didn't know he was using borrowed pencils!<BR/><BR/>varunAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133281846079968112005-11-29T22:00:00.000+05:302005-11-29T22:00:00.000+05:30Hi Chen, I have often wondered about this myself '...Hi Chen, <BR/><BR/><BR/>I have often wondered about this myself 'pala naal thiruden oru naal agapaduvan' - the converse also becomes true there on:<BR/><BR/>'oru naal thiruden pala naal agapaduvan.'trishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896403156237442180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133279672714401582005-11-29T21:24:00.000+05:302005-11-29T21:24:00.000+05:30If you want me to think what you think, well I am ...<I>If you want me to think what you think, well I am not going to.</I><BR/><BR/>another twist. <BR/><BR/>I don't remember asking you to think what I think. Did I?<BR/><BR/><BR/><I> And I am going home now, if you comment any thing after this comeback tomorrow for a reply.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for informing that. that's very gentlemanly. <BR/><BR/>I may not comeback to see what is going on here. Bye bye.Premalathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741047367535557036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133279009916534152005-11-29T21:13:00.000+05:302005-11-29T21:13:00.000+05:30I am to blame for the post Premalatha :-). How can...I am to blame for the post Premalatha :-). How can I blame any body else for my thought process? If you want me to think what you think, well I am not going to. And I am going home now, if you comment any thing after this comeback tomorrow for a reply.Chenthilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865750827704844908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5057873.post-1133278671265144672005-11-29T21:07:00.000+05:302005-11-29T21:07:00.000+05:30What word in India uncut you have used?Tuesday, No...What word in India uncut you have used?<BR/><BR/><I>Tuesday, November 29, 2005<BR/>The Hindu gets 'inspired'<BR/>Consider this paragraph:<BR/><BR/>Stone has always made stories about men for whom ordinary life is impossible by accident or by choice. As a storyteller he has long made a habit out of extreme personalities, a preoccupation that during the 1990s was matched by one of the most playfully expressive styles in American mainstream pictures.<BR/>Well, it appears in Gautaman Bhaskaran's review of the film Alexander, published Feb 11, 2005. It also appears in Manohla Dargis's review in the New York Times, published November 24, 2004. It's evident who has plagiarised from whom.<BR/><BR/>I got this information via an excellent expose by Nina from Chennai, in which she also provides many other links that reveal that Gautaman Bhaskaran has been doing this for a long, long time. (Link to Nina via email from Mridula.) Somewhat like what Nikhat Kazmi, another MSM film reviewer, had been doing when Jai Arjun Singh exposed her.<BR/><BR/>In that case, the Times of India took no action against Kazmi. In this case, one can argue that the Hindu wasn't aware of this until now. Well, let us see what they do.<BR/><BR/>Cross-posted on We The Media.<BR/><BR/>Update: Ravi Ratlami has another expose here.<BR/>amit varma, 1:08 PM| write to me | email this to a friend | permalink | homepage </I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Hasn't he used ""? it gives a clear idea what he means. <BR/><BR/>When he uses "" he may be referring to someone like I have used it in my comment.<BR/><BR/>secondly, onething is that usage of the word. what about your entire post? whom are you going to blame for that one?<BR/><BR/>Oh boy, you ARE so cheap.Premalathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741047367535557036noreply@blogger.com